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by Steve Risner

It’s time to wrap up this initial series on the crazy things theistic evolutionists say. There’s more to write about, and that will happen in the near future, but this series was based on a post by a theistic evolutionist online concerning a meme he disagreed with. His introduction to that post concerned some weird and silly statements about the “apostasy” that accompanies the rejection of universal common descent and other major tenets of the humanist origins myth like the Big Bang. He actually believes it is appropriate to refer to this disagreement with secular teachings as apostasy. This is one of the reasons I referred to this as craziness. You can see where I discuss this and other odd statements made here, here, and here.

He then went on to refer to specifics in a meme that he took offense with. The meme listed several things its creator believed created issues for the Big Bang and evolution (universal common descent). The first point concerned the second law of thermodynamics. He disagrees that this law is violated by the Big Bang and abiogenesis. That’s fine. We can disagree on that, but I feel very strongly that the evidence is on the side of the Bible. The Bible clearly teaches a 6-day creation about 6000 or so years ago. This person, and many theistic evolutionists like him, believes the organization that came from a massive expansion event billions of years ago is allegedly not violating the second law of thermodynamics. He believes the inconceivable amounts of sophisticated ordered information stored in genetic material is no problem for someone who understands entropy and how it works. I disagree, and I think science does as well. I wrote about that here and here. I lightly touched on it here as well, but this post was more about his second addressed claim—that the law of biogenesis creates problems for those who do not believe God created everything in the 6 days of creation.

So, yes, he goes on to try to argue that 1) the law of biogenesis is not violated by universal common descent, 2) there is no law of biogenesis, and 3) the law of biogenesis is a necessary part of universal common descent. He actually tried to make all three of those points even though some are contradictory. We see time and time again that evolutionists desperately want to divorce themselves from abiogenesis. Thomas Huxley even coined the term to move it away from spontaneous generation, which was a fable disproven in the 1800s. The two things are defined nearly identically, but they changed the name to abiogenesis, so it seemed more legitimate. When it comes down to it, the law of biogenesis stops universal common descent in its tracks before it even starts. This law states all living things come from other living things. This is our experience, and to date, all observations conclude that it is 100% accurate. There has never been a time when a single living thing was observed arising from something that was not alive. Not once. All experimentation trying to manufacture something “alive” in a lab has failed miserably. All of it. The law of biogenesis makes abiogenesis, the necessary starting point for universal common descent, look like the naïve belief system that it is. It is pseudoscience. You can read on that here and here.

The final installment then, after that much longer than anticipated recap, will be based on this quote from our theistic evolutionist:

Each of your other claims, in your meme, can be similarly dismissed by simple reasoning, by simple truth, except for the final claim, that God loves us. As such, it's time to accept God's love and repent of the falsehoods that many anti-evolutionary folks, such as yourself, routinely repeat. I think that the words of 2nd Corinthians are applicable for those who have fallen into the dishonesty of anti-evolutionary pits. Come out from among the young-earth deniers of evolution.
“Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” -2 Corinthians 6:17-18

Interestingly, he claims that all the claims in the meme – which I believe include things like genetics, spontaneous generation, laws governing information systems, specified and irreducible complexity, and things of that nature – are able to be “similarly dismissed.” I find that ironic since he was not able to dismiss the claims at all. In fact, there seems to be a great deal of argumentation against his religious beliefs. I say they are religious beliefs because he believes that not believing in evolution is apostasy—clearly a religious type of error.

I can’t say that all of the things listed in the meme are good arguments against the humanist origins myth and all that comes with it—the Big Bang, chemical and stellar evolution, the development of solar systems, and eventually the spontaneous generation of life on earth and its diversification from pond scum to people over a few billion years. But I can say that he did a terrible job on the two he chose to refute and, in fact, the arguments against him are solid in my opinion.

It's rather disingenuous for him to suggest that Bible-believing Christians have rejected God’s love. I find it nice that he agrees with the statement—maybe a point of common ground—that God loves us all, but to suggest people who trust the Bible over the currently popular version of origins that secularists want to push at the moment is a little absurd. Also suggesting that a difference of opinion is akin to lying to the world about something is also disingenuous. Come on. It’s very childish to suggest that if you disagree with me then I must be lying. Or, if it turns out that something I (or something who believes as I do) say is wrong, this does not mean it was lied about. It simply means an error was made or there was a misunderstanding. The accusation of dishonesty gets thrown out way too often by these people. But that’s part of their mode of operation. They like to discredit their opponent because often times they cannot respond to their arguments—like his responses to this meme. His arguments were weak and not well thought out by any means in my opinion. But if they discredit the person they’re debating, they don’t feel obligated to respond to the points of the argument. They’re far too righteous for such a thing.

Then the icing on the cake happens. He actually reiterates this claim that it’s apostasy to reject universal common descent by saying, “I think that the words of 2nd Corinthians are applicable for those who have fallen into the dishonesty of anti-evolutionary pits.” How amazing is that! First off, it’s not dishonest to question universal common descent (notice I try not to use the word “evolution” since its meaning can be unclear). There are plenty of very well-known scientists who have questioned it or who have/had real issues with it. Many of them had these issues while maintaining their status as an unbeliever. In other words, they didn’t question universal common descent or even reject it based on their faith in the Bible. The “science” isn’t settled on this, regardless of what they wish. Not only is it not dishonest to question universal common descent but it’s a healthy approach to scientific discovery. How many amazing discoveries were founded on accepting the status quo? Not many, I’d wager.

Secondly, applying the Word of God and His warning to be unlike the people of the world in a situation where you are advocating for being like the people of the world is one of the worst applications of Scriptures I’ve ever seen. “Don’t be like the world but reject their teachings… by accepting their teachings that are completely contrary to the expressly written origins narrative in the Bible.” This is a paraphrase, of course, but that’s what he’s saying. The Scripture is a great one in this debate but not for him to use against anyone. He’s aligned himself with atheism. He’s aligned himself with anti-Biblical teachings. He’s rejected the clear teaching of Scripture—the teaching that has been understood to mean exactly what Biblical creationists (and most Christians prior to the last century) understand it to mean for thousands of years. Theistic evolutionists would do well to heed this warning and come out from among the unbelievers. I’ve found many theistic evolutionists who are Christians will always argue against Christians who do not believe as they do on origins. I have found they will almost always hold hands with atheists and attack Bible believers for exactly that—believing the Bible. So please! Come out from among the atheists, the Bible rejectors, the God haters, and the secularists. Reject their origins myth and adhere to the easily understood, very clearly written Word of God.

The simple truth is that if you reject the origins narrative of the Bible because “science” says it didn’t happen this way, you must reject all supernatural activity in the Bible or you’re a fraud. Science says a man dead for 3 days cannot rise again, especially on His own power. It also says a virgin cannot conceive. It also says 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread cannot feed 5000 men plus women and children. A man cannot walk on top of the sea or tell the sea to be calm and it listens. There is literally no supernatural event in the Bible that can be taken as the truth if you allow secular humanism (what they are allowing to masquerade as science) to rule your thought processes. I hope that makes sense.

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